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Notes of CEUDA meeting with Minister Cauchon
SEP 26, 2002  The National President and NVP met with Minister and addressed four issues, here are our notes from that meeting

Students 

  • Minister stated we'll keep having students as long as he's Minister; he feels they are adequately trained for what they are asked to do, besides "they are always with seasoned officers".
  • We pointed out some work alone and others with no supervision other than a phone. 
  • He feels their work is very satisfactory and can point to no widespread examples of problems. 
  • We mentioned the EKOS report and its statement that 50,000 entered Canada without proper immigration documentation.
  • He feels there is no increased threat to communities with students there.
  • We requested we would prefer no students be in uniform but if they wish to work for customs be there in administrative functions, not primary or secondary.
  • We argued training not sufficient and that there are significantly higher student numbers on the line in summer when officers take leave - see Auditor Generals report.
  • Minister took note of our request and instructed Lefebvre to look into it.
  • We suggested our summer staffing be similar to that currently employed by US Customs where they utilize terms and part-time officers for summer workload and ensure they receive sufficient training.  Also the customs program can count on the longer term employment of trained officers for many years, not just the 2 or 3 that a student is typically there.

Remote Ports

  • Minister advised to double up shifts at these sites would be over $10M and he was not prepared to do that considering the low traffic and minimal risk.
  • CEUDA requested expansion of FRT teams so that they could provide more frequent visits to these sites, conduct special projects (ie after hours surveillance, secondary blitzes, etc), conduct specialized training, and work joint projects with other agencies (ie immigration, agriculture, etc.).
  • Minister considered this a good suggestion - asked Lefebvre to look into this.

IT/Facility Improvements

  • Minister advised he was in favour of upgrading info technology and data bases at all ports.
  • He advised currently $20M will be invested this year.
  • His current procurement schedule was to have all ports fitted up by 2004.
  • In light of Sept. 11 this schedule will be expedited.
  • IT will complement and assist officers, not replace them.
  • The only limiting factors will be procurement of equipment and installation but he expects this to proceed quickly and much sooner than the 2004 date.

CANPASS

  • We asked when canpass would be back up - no decision as of yet, still reviewing.
  • Requested more control of canpass applicants (current data base has 10% wrong addresses) and much greater number of secondary inspections done on users.
  • Minister agreed secondarys were low and that they must be increased.
  • We suggested more FRT teams to do secondary and surveillance of airports.
  • Minister agreed this important and deserves consideration but right now first priority is to secure frontiers.

In conclusion, the Minister stated he believes in what he is doing and is proud of the Customs program.  He wants to build a first class service. The Minister stated we could work with him to achieve that goal or we were free to go to the media and get our two days of fame.  Then the media would forget the issue and move onto something else.  He stated he was going to a meeting next with the US Ambassador.  There is talk about the perimeter concept but Cauchon feels there will always be a border. The Minister invited us to contact him again should we have concerns and he feels our input has been helpful.